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January 13, 2009

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ndm

In writing

Still, the list of defeated Democrats in recent years (Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry) is hardly impressive. In fact, the defeated Republicans (Bush Sr, Dole, McCain) is, I'd hazard, more impressive than the list of losing Democrats.

Alex Massie forgets Jonathan Rauch's seemingly iron-fisted rule for selecting the US President.

With only one exception since the presidency of Theodore Roosevelt, no one has been elected president who took more than 14 years to climb from his first major elective office to election as either president or vice president.

George W. Bush took six years. Bill Clinton, 14. George H.W. Bush, 14 (to the vice presidency). Ronald Reagan, 14. Jimmy Carter, six. Richard Nixon, six (to vice president). John Kennedy, 14. Dwight Eisenhower, zero. Harry Truman, 10 (to vice president). Franklin Roosevelt, four. Herbert Hoover, zero. Calvin Coolidge, four. Warren Harding, six. Woodrow Wilson, two. William Howard Taft, zero. Theodore Roosevelt, two (to vice president). The one exception: Lyndon Johnson's 23 years from his first House victory to the vice presidency.

Mark Thompson

I think what the conservative movement ultimately needs to do is simply recognize that it consists of a number of different variations of conservatism and that there is no one master conservatism. If the GOP is to re-emerge as a "conservative" party, it will need to do so in a way that accommodates all the various forms of conservatism and libertarianism. If they can do so, they will be able to present themselves in a more coherent fashion that is based on issues that the various forms of conservatism truly share in common. Unfortunately, I don't know what those issues really are right now - the only one that immediately comes to mind is earmark reform, but that is hardly an issue that is going stir up the passions of the electorate. It may be that the GOP coalition will have to shrink some more and permanently cast aside one or more of its constituent philosophies in order to again build around something that those philosophies share in common.
I guess the way to think of it is that the GOP needs to find a way to brand itself as a party that includes religious conservatives rather than as the party OF religious conservatives; and a party that includes libertarians rather than as the party OF libertarianism.....and so forth.

JimB

Here's a plausible (and thoroughly unpleasant) scenario for a Republican revival that doesn't take your advice: Sarah Palin figures out how to appeal to Hispanics (OK, it probably wouldn't be her, but you get the idea.) The resulting party is isolationist and aggressively populist: anti-bank, anti-intellectual, anti-wall street, anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-latte-sipping-bicoastal-snob. With demographics on its side, this party could whip the snot out of the Democrats for years to come.

ben

Again, one wonders what the *goal* is. Is there something about the name "Republican" or any set of ideas calling themselves "conservative" that are worthy of merit just because those names and labels are involved?

There are close to zero policies of the current Republican party platform and the current soi-disant conservative movement which are appealing. This is a pro-deficit, pro-war, anti-choice, anti-freedom, theocratic, pro-stupidity movement that loudly and aggressively trumpets all of these qualities. Why would anyone who favors freedom, fiscal rectitude, and reason want the Republican party to succeed? Why would anyone want to call himself a conservative when conservatism has come to mean forced Jesus lessons, wiretapping, torture, runaway government spending, and invading everyone?

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